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	<description>Michael Dayah via Knoxville, Tennessee</description>
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		<title>By: anonymous</title>
		<link>http://essays.dayah.com/stereotyping-slowly-declining/comment-page-1#comment-192</link>
		<dc:creator>anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Jan 2005 16:51:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Racist stereotyping is alive and well in my town and dosen&#039;t loook like it is going to start diying down any time quick. My teachers even use stereo types all the time without thinkin of the affect that their words will have on others that it can be directed to. Media contributes to alot of the stereotyping ive heard and seen. 
Some people dont think of the ignorance of their words when they speak for exapmle a i seen one guy say to his black friend at lunch &quot;So what you eating to day some fried chicken, and corn bread.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Racist stereotyping is alive and well in my town and dosen&#8217;t loook like it is going to start diying down any time quick. My teachers even use stereo types all the time without thinkin of the affect that their words will have on others that it can be directed to. Media contributes to alot of the stereotyping ive heard and seen.<br />
Some people dont think of the ignorance of their words when they speak for exapmle a i seen one guy say to his black friend at lunch &#8220;So what you eating to day some fried chicken, and corn bread.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: dmsherwood53</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jul 2004 20:21:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the tendancy you mention is real. I think on balance its a good thing(there&#039;s a mindless knee-jerk ielement in it I don&#039;t trust).
   Certain stereotypes don&#039;t seem to be challanged the welfare sponger,
the dirty drug addict, big-goverment liberals areall going strong. as to Muslims I&#039;m in 2 minds there is some very nasty stuff in the yellow press in the UK(the SUN especially)but I DON@T like much of the Muslim religion. It seems sexist authoritarian and plain superstitious. If that makes me a Bigot so be it</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the tendancy you mention is real. I think on balance its a good thing(there&#8217;s a mindless knee-jerk ielement in it I don&#8217;t trust).<br />
   Certain stereotypes don&#8217;t seem to be challanged the welfare sponger,<br />
the dirty drug addict, big-goverment liberals areall going strong. as to Muslims I&#8217;m in 2 minds there is some very nasty stuff in the yellow press in the UK(the SUN especially)but I DON@T like much of the Muslim religion. It seems sexist authoritarian and plain superstitious. If that makes me a Bigot so be it</p>
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		<title>By: dmsherwood53</title>
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		<dc:creator>dmsherwood53</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jul 2004 20:15:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We need personal steotypes they are nessary shortcuts to thought. Where they get vicious is when they become public and straighjackets for thought</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We need personal steotypes they are nessary shortcuts to thought. Where they get vicious is when they become public and straighjackets for thought</p>
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		<title>By: tromboningsam</title>
		<link>http://essays.dayah.com/stereotyping-slowly-declining/comment-page-1#comment-189</link>
		<dc:creator>tromboningsam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Feb 2004 16:27:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The mistake I think you make is that you assume stereotyping is memetic/cultural rather than innate. People stereotype based on salient features as an innate process, and as such stereotyping can never be entirely suppressed. In fact, the psychological literature has reliably demonstrated that attempted suppression of stereotypes actually makes negatively stereotyping more frequent rather than helping alleviate it. (It primes the stereotype in a way that seems like the love child of logogen theory and memetics).

There are two ways that stereotyping has been demonstrably reduced: Allport&#039;s contact hypothesis and Galinsky&#039;s perspective-taking. Since perspective taking isn&#039;t really something that naturally happens during key formative years, the key would seem to be contact with stereotyped groups during formative years. Obviously this doesn&#039;t always stop stereotyping - there are still vilified groups at school but if you have contact with the group in question it reduces the negative effects and two-dimensional nature of the stereotyping. I think it&#039;s far more likely that children of racist homophobes become racist homophobes because they were raised in an environment that lacks a socially acceptable group of other ethnicities or sexualities, the same kind of environment as their parents. Judith Rich Harris argues a strong case in her 1995 paper that peers are a far stronger force in socialisation than the parents (Group Socialization Theory).

Back to the Contact/Perspective Taking literature, the negative stereotype can only be changed through positive contact with a person who is a salient member of the group, and who is a typical member of that group. Meeting an Orthodox Jew who turns out to pay no attention to the Torah won&#039;t do anything for your general opinion of Orthodox Jews. Poor example I know, but I assume you get the picture. Presumably negative reinforcement makes it harder to change opinions of groups, hence making things harder for African-Americans during the times of slavery. A quick modern example of what I see as a similar effect - Muslims and terrorism, say. It&#039;s harder for such prejudice to be alleviated when there is a prevailing stereotype that gets consistently negatively reinforced by terrorist attacks on the news and suspicions of the general public.

Mainstream society today tends to lack a lot of the instituted prejudices of history, and IMO this is what has lead to the emancipation of so many groups in the past century or two. Without the negative reinforcement, negative stereotypes are becoming fewer and fewer. However, I doubt that &quot;nerd&quot; or &quot;goth&quot; will ever become words that are not uttered in public. If they do become so, new words (or existing ones, for that matter) will come up in their place to express more or less the same concept, and another futile chorus of the PC two-step is completed. Another side of reclamation of language worth considering - by making certain words taboo, it only increases their power. Nigger doesn&#039;t really elicit much reaction in Australia, but in the US it&#039;s quite powerful from what I&#039;ve heard. &quot;Queer&quot; has progressed from an epithet to a word commonly used by the group it was intended to vilify, and &quot;gay&quot; is making similar progress. If you want to make progress with reclamation of language, this seems to be a better path to take IMHO.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The mistake I think you make is that you assume stereotyping is memetic/cultural rather than innate. People stereotype based on salient features as an innate process, and as such stereotyping can never be entirely suppressed. In fact, the psychological literature has reliably demonstrated that attempted suppression of stereotypes actually makes negatively stereotyping more frequent rather than helping alleviate it. (It primes the stereotype in a way that seems like the love child of logogen theory and memetics).</p>
<p>There are two ways that stereotyping has been demonstrably reduced: Allport&#8217;s contact hypothesis and Galinsky&#8217;s perspective-taking. Since perspective taking isn&#8217;t really something that naturally happens during key formative years, the key would seem to be contact with stereotyped groups during formative years. Obviously this doesn&#8217;t always stop stereotyping &#8211; there are still vilified groups at school but if you have contact with the group in question it reduces the negative effects and two-dimensional nature of the stereotyping. I think it&#8217;s far more likely that children of racist homophobes become racist homophobes because they were raised in an environment that lacks a socially acceptable group of other ethnicities or sexualities, the same kind of environment as their parents. Judith Rich Harris argues a strong case in her 1995 paper that peers are a far stronger force in socialisation than the parents (Group Socialization Theory).</p>
<p>Back to the Contact/Perspective Taking literature, the negative stereotype can only be changed through positive contact with a person who is a salient member of the group, and who is a typical member of that group. Meeting an Orthodox Jew who turns out to pay no attention to the Torah won&#8217;t do anything for your general opinion of Orthodox Jews. Poor example I know, but I assume you get the picture. Presumably negative reinforcement makes it harder to change opinions of groups, hence making things harder for African-Americans during the times of slavery. A quick modern example of what I see as a similar effect &#8211; Muslims and terrorism, say. It&#8217;s harder for such prejudice to be alleviated when there is a prevailing stereotype that gets consistently negatively reinforced by terrorist attacks on the news and suspicions of the general public.</p>
<p>Mainstream society today tends to lack a lot of the instituted prejudices of history, and IMO this is what has lead to the emancipation of so many groups in the past century or two. Without the negative reinforcement, negative stereotypes are becoming fewer and fewer. However, I doubt that &#8220;nerd&#8221; or &#8220;goth&#8221; will ever become words that are not uttered in public. If they do become so, new words (or existing ones, for that matter) will come up in their place to express more or less the same concept, and another futile chorus of the PC two-step is completed. Another side of reclamation of language worth considering &#8211; by making certain words taboo, it only increases their power. Nigger doesn&#8217;t really elicit much reaction in Australia, but in the US it&#8217;s quite powerful from what I&#8217;ve heard. &#8220;Queer&#8221; has progressed from an epithet to a word commonly used by the group it was intended to vilify, and &#8220;gay&#8221; is making similar progress. If you want to make progress with reclamation of language, this seems to be a better path to take IMHO.</p>
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		<title>By: lucent</title>
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		<dc:creator>lucent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Dec 2003 21:12:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My theme isn&#039;t about watering down the words or political correctness. It&#039;s primarily about debunking the sharp division between racist old people and non-racist young people many perceive.

I realize it&#039;s still very popular to make a fuss over how silly political correctness is, but I haven&#039;t really seen much political correctness. Where is it? Sure, African-American was silly. Like Wanda Sykes says, &quot;No, I&#039;m not black, I&#039;m African-American, you can give me that loan now.&quot;

Words are very powerful. You seem to be ignoring the fact that racist parents generally have racist kids. The slow elimination of vernacular that distinguishes people &lt;em&gt;when there&#039;s no reason to do so&lt;/em&gt; will gradually eliminate their ability to convey discriminatory ideas. If I can&#039;t say aloud, &quot;Look at that black man eating that fried chicken!&quot; or, &quot;That nerd walks funny!&quot; because it&#039;s taboo, there&#039;s a smaller chance my son or other children will pick up on the stereotype and perpetuate it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My theme isn&#8217;t about watering down the words or political correctness. It&#8217;s primarily about debunking the sharp division between racist old people and non-racist young people many perceive.</p>
<p>I realize it&#8217;s still very popular to make a fuss over how silly political correctness is, but I haven&#8217;t really seen much political correctness. Where is it? Sure, African-American was silly. Like Wanda Sykes says, &#8220;No, I&#8217;m not black, I&#8217;m African-American, you can give me that loan now.&#8221;</p>
<p>Words are very powerful. You seem to be ignoring the fact that racist parents generally have racist kids. The slow elimination of vernacular that distinguishes people <em>when there&#8217;s no reason to do so</em> will gradually eliminate their ability to convey discriminatory ideas. If I can&#8217;t say aloud, &#8220;Look at that black man eating that fried chicken!&#8221; or, &#8220;That nerd walks funny!&#8221; because it&#8217;s taboo, there&#8217;s a smaller chance my son or other children will pick up on the stereotype and perpetuate it.</p>
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		<title>By: shalmanese</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Dec 2003 17:44:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is ridiculous, we don&#039;t become less racist by losing words from our vernacular, rather negative connotations are stripped away from existing words. It serves no purpose in linguistics for use to lose words that identifiy a salient and differentiating charecteristic. If the most notable feature that differentiate two people is their race, then it is perfectly appropriate to refer to the black one or the white one. My personal opinion is that the pendulum of PC has swung too far over and is hampering effective communication as we struggle to pronounce multi-syballic words that have replaced the short, simple offensive words. Groups that were formerly maligned are now claiming those words for their own use and more and more people are realising that it&#039;s the connotations and not the words that make something offensive.

The future will be non-racist not because the word nigger is gone from the english language, but rather because the word nigger is so ordinary that nobody knew what it&#039;s origins are.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is ridiculous, we don&#8217;t become less racist by losing words from our vernacular, rather negative connotations are stripped away from existing words. It serves no purpose in linguistics for use to lose words that identifiy a salient and differentiating charecteristic. If the most notable feature that differentiate two people is their race, then it is perfectly appropriate to refer to the black one or the white one. My personal opinion is that the pendulum of PC has swung too far over and is hampering effective communication as we struggle to pronounce multi-syballic words that have replaced the short, simple offensive words. Groups that were formerly maligned are now claiming those words for their own use and more and more people are realising that it&#8217;s the connotations and not the words that make something offensive.</p>
<p>The future will be non-racist not because the word nigger is gone from the english language, but rather because the word nigger is so ordinary that nobody knew what it&#8217;s origins are.</p>
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		<title>By: cazort</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2003 22:39:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a really good observation.  But...in some ways you are being a bit more optimistic.  Is stereotyping really becoming any less acceptable?

It&#039;s like--maybe whites aren&#039;t quite as overtly racist towards blacks as they used to be.  But now, we are far more biased against Arabs and specifically, Muslims.  And...when you look at white-on-black racism, have things really gotten all that better?

Here I live in Cleveland, and it&#039;s like--on average, the blacks are still a lot poorer.  And a lot of people don&#039;t seem to see it as a really big problem, or if they do, they don&#039;t really seem to want to do anything about it, or they don&#039;t think they can.

As an example of something that I think of as racism but most whites do not, I recently went to a swing dance in Cleveland.  The dance was held in a big hall in a neighborhood that is over 80% black.  There were two black people at the dance, out of at least 50 people.

The most popular form of dancing at these dances is the Lindy Hop, a dance that was invented by (but not named by) blacks.  It was named by a white person, after Lindberg&#039;s (lindy) flight (hop) across the Atlantic.  The dancing is done to a type of music, swing, which evolved out of Jazz, which was basically invented by blacks.  The dance itself was held in a predominantly black neighborhood.  Yet, very few blacks were at the dance.  And none of the people at the dance really seemed to think about this, or have any problem with it.  THIS, I believe, is an indication that our society still has deep-seated racism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a really good observation.  But&#8230;in some ways you are being a bit more optimistic.  Is stereotyping really becoming any less acceptable?</p>
<p>It&#8217;s like&#8211;maybe whites aren&#8217;t quite as overtly racist towards blacks as they used to be.  But now, we are far more biased against Arabs and specifically, Muslims.  And&#8230;when you look at white-on-black racism, have things really gotten all that better?</p>
<p>Here I live in Cleveland, and it&#8217;s like&#8211;on average, the blacks are still a lot poorer.  And a lot of people don&#8217;t seem to see it as a really big problem, or if they do, they don&#8217;t really seem to want to do anything about it, or they don&#8217;t think they can.</p>
<p>As an example of something that I think of as racism but most whites do not, I recently went to a swing dance in Cleveland.  The dance was held in a big hall in a neighborhood that is over 80% black.  There were two black people at the dance, out of at least 50 people.</p>
<p>The most popular form of dancing at these dances is the Lindy Hop, a dance that was invented by (but not named by) blacks.  It was named by a white person, after Lindberg&#8217;s (lindy) flight (hop) across the Atlantic.  The dancing is done to a type of music, swing, which evolved out of Jazz, which was basically invented by blacks.  The dance itself was held in a predominantly black neighborhood.  Yet, very few blacks were at the dance.  And none of the people at the dance really seemed to think about this, or have any problem with it.  THIS, I believe, is an indication that our society still has deep-seated racism.</p>
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